Debating a civic socialist
You: which isn't communism by your own admission
You: yes I am
Stranger: so you think allowing people to do whatever (as we have almost) has no consequences?
You: well our main difference is that i don't care for security, I care for freedom. You might care for security so consequences often are very important to you. I believe that nature isn't as perfect and I accept the chaothic nature of our universe.
Stranger: you think nature isnt perfect?
You: In my world tragides happen and I am sad about them but I won't bring about calamity by trying to go against nature and bring about utopia.
Stranger: ok sure i agree there, utopia's arent real atleast in what we consider a utopia. but leadership/rules are neccessary
You: well as long as you agree with your leadership. would you feel the same, if I was your leader and I decided you must be eliminated or enslaved?
Stranger: well sure if youre a traitor i get what youre saying. but normally thats not the case.
Stranger: throughout all our history we've rarely had leaders like that.
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