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debate: Marxist claims scientific proof for communism

You: hello

Stranger: Hello

You: how are you ?

Stranger: Good. Yourself?

You: I am fine, thanks for asking. what do you want to talk about?

Stranger: Where would you say you stand politically?

You: I am a libertarian and you ?

Stranger: I’m a Marxist.

You: Oh, I always like a nice debate. What do you think of human greed?

Stranger: Human greed and the “human nature” arguments aren’t a new concept developed under capitalism. Pretty much every system that’s ever existed has attempted to develop unexplainable and inherent unchallenged traits to prevent those seeking change from succeeding. All of which have just been the observable perpetuation of the inherent bad elements of these structures, and not objective truths inherent to the participants of the systems themselves. This goes for “human greed” “race superiority” “royal bloodlines” etc.

Stranger: Plus you can look at Kropotkin’s biological and ecological studies that showcase cooperation is an inherent trait to humans, and not greed.

You: Well just because you refuse to see the issue, doesn't go away. Besides how can you not see the facts when reality shows you time and time again that it exists?

You: you see human nature in action and instead of accepting it as fact you see them as the perpetual of the inherent bad elements you would love to change. then suggest that with you can force cooperation among humans, you are delusional bud.

Stranger: Again, you’re using the same arguments everyone has used for all of the systems I just described. People under slave states did a lot of mental gymnastics to justify their own biases to keep certain people as slaves, describing them too as facts. Same goes for royal bloodlines in theological and feudal societies, etc. As I said before, your “facts” aren’t facts. There observations of inherent traits to the system that requires the perpetuation of those relations to maintain functioning, that people attempt to relate as inherent traits to the participants in order to refute any attempts in changing the system

Stranger: There’s tons of ecological and biological studies that showcase human greed isn’t inherent, but cooperation is in fact the evolutionary trait we’ve utilized to survive as we have and develop society further.

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